The Executive Coach to Real Life Rock Stars and host of The Energy Detox Podcast, Joe Sinnott, Witting Partners, helps host Jason Spiess through a series of failures. Sinnott and Spiess discuss how someone can stop the downward spiral that can happen so easily after the start of a New Year.
The two also discuss reinvention of professional careers and personal identities.
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Jason Spiess
Alright, let’s head over to the Zoom line where we have the executive coach for the real life rock stars, Joe Sinnott of course, real life rock stars a lot of times are geologists and Joe Sinnott makes a good portion of his living, being an executive coach to those individuals, petroleum geologists of course across C Suite Usa.
And also even some small businesses from time to time that need a little bit of a rock star treatment. So Joe, how you doing today of winning partners and the energy detox podcast, I’m
Joe Sinnott
doing just fine, Jason. How are you today?
Jason Spiess
Not too bad. I was gonna try to get your intro done and under one sentence, but that’s impossible when you’re as busy as a man like yourself. So how’s things going out on the east coast there? You’re not quite on the East coast, but you’re out on the eastern side of the United States. Pittsburgh pennsylvania area, of course, home of the Marcellus Utica and Appalachian basin, is that right? Sure
Joe Sinnott
you can use those all interchangeably. The moral the story is, yeah, we produce a lot of gas from a lot of different layers of the earth. Again, we’ll tie back to the geologists who can actually explain that in better detail than I can. But yeah, here in Pittsburgh, although I am from the true east coast though, Jason. So I know sometimes, you know, it’s all relative right. People will lump all of pennsylvania and forgetting that it’s, you know, 300 plus miles wide.
But you know, I am from New Jersey. So uh in the shadow of what used to be Giants Stadium. So I know the Giants are coming off of their, their nice big victory this weekend, uh, upset victory over the Vikings. So I won’t ask you how you’re doing after that loss. But I do need to make a nod to my east coast roots if you will.
Jason Spiess
I think a lot of people not to talk football here, but you know, of course I’m, I was born in Minneapolis and um, I’ve been a Washington Redskins commanders fan my entire life since I was four years old because I was, I always liked to play the indians in cowboys and indians, which is now native americans. And my friend Murray Proust who lived down the block at age four would like to play the cap guns, cowboys.
So I preferred the bow and arrow. He preferred the cap guns. One thanksgiving when I was four years old, the cowboys vs Redskins was on tv and I picked the Redskins ever since. It’s been a hard daniel Snyder a couple of decades. Let’s just put it that way. I follow the Redskins now the commanders, but being around Minnesota of course by osmosis, working in the media, I have to follow the Vikings or I’ll get escorted right out of the state and that by the way, the state is a regional area,
not the drunken scan ease over in Wisconsin. No, no, we don’t, The packers. I have their own fans, We have our fans here. And uh, it’s interesting in the bacon in north Dakota. Half of them are Denver bronco fans and then the other half are Minnesota Vikings fans. You got one or two Seattle fans because we’re kind of the gateway to the west. But yeah, both of my predictions san Diego chargers, Minnesota Vikings.
I made impromptu lee. They got ousted in the first round. A couple of uh, upsets I guess because the chargers had that game wrapped up and they found every way to lose that game, which brings me Joe Sinnott to what I want to ask you about today. I’m a failure. I’ve failed already. My New Year’s resolutions. I failed in some businesses that I’ve had to kind of shut down in the last year and reinvent redo and everything else. I’ve even failed in my family in some ways, you know, because I’m
not quite bringing in the income that I once brought in before as the inflation prices are going up. So I gotta be honest, I’m getting a little bit finger pointing at me around the household Joe, how do I get out of this failure spiral that I seem to be a mr rock star. How’s that for a monday morning question for you coming off of a couple of, hey, my gambling picks are gone. I don’t have that money coming in, Joe.
Joe Sinnott
Oh boy, I thought we were gonna talk sports for 20 or 30 minutes. We got we got a little bit deeper there, Jason. But I guess the bigger question, when you know that you’re not the first person to oppose that right is how do I overcome failure, Lost? Whatever it’s, you know, what your ultimate goals, what are you, what are you driving towards? Right.
A lot of people get caught up, especially this time of year, right? You know, we’re on the heels of a new year, still a couple of weeks in and and it’s easy to get down, right? So by now, I would have expected to do X, Y, Z. Or or I’m failing in whatever it is. And I said, well, all right, well, you know, what is your ultimate destination? Right? Let’s not get caught up in the minutia.
And I know some of the Minutia can feel big, right? When people, you know, screw up in a job or have some family issue or. Yeah, but their life savings on the Vikings and you know, who go on to lose whatever the case is. But at the end of the day, it’s sort of a well, so what does that really matter in the grand scheme of things? So, I think that’s the that’s the first answer, Jason, we will dive as deep as we want to on this, this conversation, but that’s that’s really the first response is, do
you you have a sense of what you’re ultimately after, because if you don’t, you fall into the trap that a lot of the folks that work with fall into which is getting caught up on relatively intermediate things, not necessarily unimportant, but things that might not be as important as you think they are in terms of getting
towards your ultimate goal. So when you talk, you talk a little bit about finances, about business, about family, you know, what is your ultimate vision for all of those things?
Jason Spiess
So it’s interesting you bring that up because I don’t know if we’ve talked about this before, but you and I of course we have talked about by cancer survival and a few of my family things. So one thing about this uh podcast or interview or whatever you wanna call it, we tend to get somewhat personal and family oriented because quite honestly if you have a car payment or you have a mortgage or you have insurance or you have a student loan, you are a small business because you need to cash
flow your life now, you might not be, you know, Microsoft or you might not be dixie donuts, but you’re still a small business in this grand scheme of cash flow. And when I took a look at, when I became a single father and I got full custody of the child when the mother was living a couple 1000 miles away and I thought I had cancer, I really had to redo my priorities.
So I actually sat down and wrote down a list Joe number one, my son’s health and well being number two, my relationship with my son number three my health and number four my job is very difficult to live in a world where your job is your fourth priority when most people view you and label you and even base your reputation on your job, Joe. That’s a tough thing to be in nowadays when you want to be a family or you want to try to survive or you want to just try to reinvent your life.
There’s a lot of people trying to reinvent their life right now and it’s hard to stop that rollercoaster. It’s hard to stop that mary ground if you will. So it’s my question to you is that um in a world that bases so much image and and success based on your occupation and job.
How are those people who are gonna try to focus on their family and their health and some of those non career type things? How do you navigate through that? That’s a really hard question. And by the way, there’s really no right answer on this.
Joe Sinnott
Well, well, first of all, you’re right, there is no, certainly there’s no universal answer, but the question well, and and keep this in mind, of course, Jason, you know, I mean the job of asking questions. So I don’t purport to have answers. I’m not coming into companies are working with individuals, you know, as a a true consultant or advisor.
Jason Spiess
My job
Joe Sinnott
is to ask questions, sometimes dumb questions
Jason Spiess
and
Joe Sinnott
that, you know, my response
Jason Spiess
to your
Joe Sinnott
question to me is basically, hey, is that fourth priority? Is your job whatever happens to be? Is it
Jason Spiess
really an
Joe Sinnott
end goal or again, is it
Jason Spiess
intermediate?
Joe Sinnott
So case in point a lot of people I work with when you really get into the weeds, it’s, well, no, I mean at the end of the day, you know, I do see my job as a means to supporting my family or to making the world a better place or to, you know, having enough money or extra money to be able to make a difference in the community or, you know, to support my church or whatever the case is.
And again, when you, when you frame it that way, it can just change how people view that job, view that role. And in some cases, in many cases it helps them actually do better at their job, right? Helps them become more focused and all. You know, again, like you said, we’ll, we’ll dive into the personal here quite often in these conversations and even in my own life, it’s easy to say, hey, you know, how many ways are my kids holding me back, right?
You know, all the time and the energy and everything else, You know, how much more successful would I be if it weren’t for my kids. And then it’s just, you know, you realize how silly the thought is because it’s, you know what, I don’t think I would be as successful as I am if it weren’t for my kids and my wife and having that motivation and having that focus and saying, you know, this is why I’m doing what I’m doing and again, everybody’s different, everybody’s wired differently, but
that’s what you need to get after. That’s, you know, that it’s that end goal is that ultimate purpose. I’ll throw another example out there again, it’s New Year’s. I’ve had multiple conversations with people about New Year’s resolutions and things like that, and a lot of people, right? You know, they want to be healthy, they want to go to the gym, they wanna exercise, they want to eat right?
All of those things, you say, well, why it’s just to be healthy and people might stop there and say, yeah, but ultimately, at least, you know, let’s say this is for me and it’s for other people. Why do you want to be healthy? Well, in your case, Jason, So, you could be there for your son, right? I am sure that a big piece of surviving cancer, pushing through beating the odds was so that you could be there for your son.
Again, I don’t wanna make assumptions, I’ll turn it over to you, but that’s that’s what you gotta get after because then you view those perceived failures in, you know, not eating is healthy or quitting drinking or whatever the case is if you have them in a different light and sometimes it makes it easier anyway, I’ll stop there …
Jason Spiess
because what ends up happening is that you end up having, you know impact and a ripple and you know the DSG of supply chain if you will, you know, type of a thing because when I sat down and wrote down my list um those top three things that I had were so important to me because I I truly am a family first guy that when it came down to my job, like I said, it was like I didn’t even think of that until I was on number four, I went, oh I suppose I should put my job in there because I need to figure out a way
to sustain those top three priorities I have of my son’s mental and and physical well being, my son and my relationship and my my health and so when I looked at that, I thought I got a fund that somehow because I just wasted most of my money fighting the medical industry and all these other things. And so when you have other things going on in your life, like when I went a year without sugar, that was a full time job Joe, I gotta tell you, I went a year without coffee.
And I thought that was hard when I went a year without sugar, I think I could have climbed mount Everest and that would have been easier than going a year without sugar. It is in everything man. I tell you pretty soon all I was eating was salad with a crushed lemon over it because everything’s got sugar in it. So that’s my point is that when you try to reinvent you somehow don’t understand how there’s some unexpected consequences and time sucks and just new experiences.
So whether it’s a job or whether it’s trying to fight cancer or trying to navigate through being a single parent, life changes and when life changes, it’s hard to really budget time. What type of advice would you have for somebody like it’s a job, somebody fighting health reasons, somebody going through a custody battle, whatever their
whatever their challenge in life is. How do you uh kind of guide them through that time because honestly we all have the same amount of time and it all comes down to choices.
Joe Sinnott
Yeah. Well the first step and again this is about as simple as it gets. But it’s necessary is to write out those 168 hours that everybody has in a given week, write it out. Take some of those themes that you just described, right? Those those big buckets, you know, time for your son, you know, time for work, you know, time for yourself, exercise all those things, identify those handful of themes and then
Jason Spiess
schedule
Joe Sinnott
them out and this exercise and again I do this a lot with individuals, I do this a lot with companies, you can call it, uh you know, some people will call it the ideal week, which again there’s, there’s a lot of different self help gurus out there that have some version of it, but the idea is simple, Jason schedule out what your week would look like ideally now we all know as you just said, things are always gonna pop up, you know, it’s almost laughable, especially working in the energy
industry to talk about an ideal week because things are always you know going amiss or wrong or whatever, there’s constantly fires to fight, but do you at least have a starting
Jason Spiess
point, do
Joe Sinnott
you at least have what things would look like if you can control everything, how many hours would you sleep? When would you sleep? When would you
Jason Spiess
eat? When
Joe Sinnott
would you have some time to yourself? When would you exercise if you’re talking from a business standpoint, what days, what times of each day or best to connect with your team to have those, you know, employees sit down, what days are best to do the menial tasks, the accounting type stuff. Again, actually sitting down and saying, well what would this look like first and then going back through and making decisions and adjusting and layering in reality, a lot of people get
overwhelmed Jason because you know, life can be overwhelming, but they don’t even know what the, you know what the ideal would be, how the heck do you ever even intend to approach an ideal situation life whatever, if you don’t even know what that looks like. So that’s the first thing that I do with a lot of people is getting that out there and actually understanding what those buckets are and then trying to layer them in
Jason Spiess
when it comes to the specifically the energy industry, it’s um there’s a lot of uncertainty no matter where you go and even in the in the boardroom because it’s it’s very difficult to go against the grain during these times because a lot of people are concerned about, if they say the wrong thing, they might lose their job or get laid off because you can’t turn on the news without hearing about layoffs these days and increased prices and so there’s kind of this walking on eggshells
type of thing happening right now across, I I would say small business and corporate business, it just seems like it’s there, you can feel the energy, you can listen in and in the words that people are describing, if you listen close enough talk to me a little bit about how to kind of navigate through that because a lot of people are trying to avoid writing down those lists that you and I just talked about, they want to keep their job, they don’t want to reinvent themselves.
So this is kind of a new type of failure, this is failure prevention Joe, this is, this is, I guess this is where that goes. But talk to me a little bit about what’s going on in the, in the boardrooms and in the C suite executives and even some of the small businesses where there’s a little bit of eggshells either from saying the wrong thing, making the wrong move, do we change our name from this to energy? You know, if you notice a lot of oil and gas companies are called energy companies
now. So there are changes happening In some areas, major changes in other areas, they won’t budge. In fact, right now, I just Gotta press release. Wyoming introduces bill to phase out electric vehicles by 2035. So there’s, there’s still some pushback and, and we’re not all on the same page yet. So, uh, talk to me about how to walk through those eggshells a little bit.
Joe Sinnott
Well, when I’m working with individuals and again, it could be at any level of the company, even, you know, the highest rung of a company many times has to report to of course, you know, either shareholders or board of directors or whatever the case is. So at any level of the company, the first step is similar to what we just talked about, Jason is identifying what the
ultimate purposes and then working backwards because a lot of the stuff that people get hung up on or that generate fear and have them again walking on eggshells. A lot of those
Jason Spiess
things don’t
Joe Sinnott
actually matter. You know, they know don’t affect the bottom line, but we live in such an age of distractions, especially with all of the E. S. G. Stuff and the net zero stuff where you know, things get a life of their own, they become seen as an end in and of themselves when the reality is, they’re not where they shouldn’t be.
Jason Spiess
So
Joe Sinnott
if you see that and that’s what’s generating maybe some of the fear that hey, I don’t really want to, you know, call a spade a spade here and say that this doesn’t make any sense. This does not help the company in the long run. If you’re in that position, the first step is determining whether you can ask, hey, how does this connect to the bottom line again? Whatever tactful way you want to do it, you know, how does this help us generate money to be bluntly
Jason Spiess
to
Joe Sinnott
be blunt. So that’s that’s that angle you want to take Jason is to slow down and try to connect whatever it is that you want to speak up about. Can you connect it to the ultimate goal to the bottom line. Can you ask questions that help other people see how disconnected certain actions and investments might be to the bottom line that again, I’m speaking sort of high level here, but that’s that’s the approach is identify where those connections are weak and in some cases if you’re
taking that approach, you might discover that the connections are there. So again, I don’t want to take this, hey, you know, just because you’re, you’re fearful. You don’t wanna speak up and you know, you’re right, Everybody else is wrong by taking that approach and saying, well how does this impact the bottom line? You might discover that it does, you might discover that some silly advertising campaign that you think is a complete waste of money.
You know, somebody has actually thought through it and has made the economic case and you walk away saying, well, cool, I’m glad I asked the questions and I didn’t go into this, you know, with some false sense that either, yeah, I need to light a fire under people and risk getting fired or whatever or keep my mouth shut. You can, you can kind of strike that balance there and start by asking questions. …
Jason Spiess
We talked about kind of that first step, you know, sitting down writing things down and just, you know, basically taking a step back and analyzing your life and and finding out your priorities and etcetera. Let’s talk about the specifics here for a second and let’s use something that is probably in your neck of the woods, a very hot topic right now, which is natural gas and stoves now we can get into the political side of things all day long, which is in the nineties and two
thousand’s, the government forced everybody to go into a natural gas furnace, they forced everybody to go to natural gas stoves, they did through credits and some cities, they flat out forced it. So the the government steered everybody into the natural gas world and now they’re trying to rip it out from them by going through the stoves and a number of different things.
I think there’s a study on asthma or something. It’s a it’s not a double blind study. It’s it’s a special interest study. And so that’s what I’ve seen in the news when you’re talking about marketing, when you’re talking about representing your company, when we talk about the world of social media, we’re getting in a world now where you can’t even buy a cup of coffee at Starbucks or black rifle without being shamed and trolled online.
That type of thing. Talk to me on that individual basis where, you know, your company might want you to represent them, but maybe you don’t want to be involved with the political nous of this type of thing. And so it becomes a very much a sticky wicket because as much as you want to represent your company, maybe it doesn’t really represent you.
And so in the world of social media where you’re expected to do certain things, this has become increasingly an issue because you know what it reminds me of Joe very similar to where if you wanted to get ahead, you have to go on the smoke break with the boss. And if you didn’t go on the smoke break with the boss, it didn’t seem like your ideas ever got hurt. We’re kind of getting into that intangible, You know, where it’s hard to really prove anything, but everybody knows what’s going on.
So I’m not sure if you follow me at all Joe on that. But I think that’s a little bit of a problem on the social media side and trying to advance your career and your personal side too. So we might be getting too far in the weeds here. I don’t know,
Joe Sinnott
I’m not afraid, I’m an engineer, Jason. I’m never afraid to dive into the weeds and overcomplicate things and get lost. That’s all, that’s all part of the, it’s all part of the brand if you will. Um, but in terms of promoting the brand perhaps, or a message that, that you don’t want to, or you’re not comfortable with the first thing. And again, none of these things are foolproof.
It’s all situational, which is why I like working one on one with folks. But the first thing is, you know, if you were asked to again promote something on social media or to go out and give a talk somewhere or whatever to wear some patch on your clothes that you don’t quite agree with, then the first thing is you can say, well, what are all the ways I could support this mission? You know, maybe you’re, you’re half on board.
You just don’t want to do it publicly for some reason. Whatever the case is, without having to get defensive, have that, have that question, right? You know, what are all the ways to do whatever the company wants you to do by going out there publicly and saying something or doing something or wearing something, you know, how else can I support this
Jason Spiess
mission? Which
Joe Sinnott
can do two things. One, you know, provide another avenue to use a smoke break example. You know, what are all the ways to connect with the boss that don’t require me breathing in something that I would argue is probably a little bit more harmful than, uh, you know, cooking eggs in the morning on your, you know, your natural gas stovetop, um, you know what are all the ways to connect with this person?
Well, you know, maybe he actually likes whiskey after work and you can, you know, go go join them for a drink after work. Whatever the heck the cases, right. It’s, that’s the first step again isn’t foolproof. Absolutely not Jason, but it’s a great way to, to ask an open ended question. That’s not gonna cause any harm, right?
You’re not coming out and saying no. That’s where a lot of people, they get clammed up, right? They think it’s a yes, no scenario. I’m asked to do something, I don’t want to do. I, you know the pressure, I gotta say yes. And if I say no, it could be a career limiting move. Who knows what’s gonna happen?
Jason Spiess
You can step
Joe Sinnott
back and say, all right,
Jason Spiess
good. What
Joe Sinnott
are all the different options here? What what are all the ways we can, we can have a win win here And a lot of people, especially in the energy industry, which is go, go, go. A lot of pressure, fast paced, all those things. It could be very difficult to stop breathe and take the time to ask that question. Which is again, why I love what I do because I’m, there is a lifeline.
I’m there to help, you know, people have this scenario, the wrestling with this, Give me a call and again, 30 seconds sometimes I can ask a question like that. And uh, I never thought about that Joe. So anyway, there’s the, there’s, there’s my attempt at answering what I think you were asking. Jason,
Jason Spiess
what’s going on out there in the marcellus utica Appalachian basin when it comes to natural gas and these, um, this kind of this new pr campaign against it. Are you hearing much out there? Is it? Uh, I always find it interesting because okay. Is the Susquehanna County, Is that how you pronounce it? … County is like the number one in the nation for natural gas and they’re like one of the top of the world even type of the thing and says little
county and all this natural gas comes out of there. And is the name of the company now or what are the companies that are primarily involved with the natural gas extraction?
Joe Sinnott
So Susquehanna is mostly Katara. And then when you move down to southwest P. A closer to where I’m located, that’s where you have E. Q. T. Is the biggest, the biggest natural gas producer in United States. So they are primarily focused down here in southwest P. A. Northern west Virginia. Also some in Eastern Ohio.
And then you’ve got the likes of range resources. Uh Cnx, another big one around here. Um, Antero mostly west Virginia. But again, another big player of course. So a lot of different players. But yeah, era is I believe still the biggest producer up there in Susquehanna County.
Jason Spiess
So it’s kind of like this where sometimes when you have a region that is basically powered by a certain industry, sometimes some of these conversations don’t make it in there. And I’ll give an example here in the midwest because we’re farming were farming all the time. And so farming was the number one industry for deaths in the United States for like 100 years.
But you could never report that You could never report the amount of subsidies farmers got around town. In fact the Fergus Falls newspaper tried it once in the 80s and lost 75% of their advertising within the next week. So no other newspaper tried to ever print subsidies to farmers ever again in this area. So, I mean, there’s certain conversations that just don’t make it because, you know, the people, they don’t want to hear it and that’s not a negative.
It’s just kind of the way it is. It’s just, you know, through a lack of different reasons for for better or worse. Is there any conversation going on out there with, um, you know, boots on the ground either at the cafes or at the executive level when it comes to this, this new kind of natural gas within the stoves and this kind of new rhetoric that seems to be making it through the media, Joe
Joe Sinnott
I don’t know what the cafe conversations look like, Jason, you know, certainly all of the big players, all the operators out here have pretty substantial community relations teams that are out there that are there making a difference that are trying to identify what actually matters to the communities, right? Not just coming in and assuming what the communities in which they operate actually need or want, but actually having those conversations so that, you know, they’re
making a direct impact. So that, you know, the the Bennett, if it’s the 2nd 3rd 4th degree benefits of natural gas development really do impact the people that are sitting in those cafes. I’m not part of those conversations necessarily, Jason, but I will say that, you know, one big thing here in Western P. A. That has been a hot topic over the last several years is the shell cracker plant.
So shell, you know, big behemoth shell, uh, they just started up a cracker plant. So making polyethylene, you know, the basically the feedstock for for plastics and lots of different things that can be manufactured with the elements that are produced from, you know, ethane and natural gas. And you know, sparing you all the details.
This is a multi billion dollar investment that shell made in this region that’s now up and running, that had lots of jobs that were involved in the creation of this plant and that there’s lots of jobs now that will continue. So, you know, that’s that’s been a real conversation here because there’s this
Jason Spiess
big
Joe Sinnott
behemoth of a facility here in Western P. A. That’s made an impact. It definitely was helped. Uh, it was spurred upon, if you will by some tax credits and things like that. So, yeah, that’s absolutely a conversation. It’s and it’s out there openly. I’ve seen lots of good balanced conversations about the benefits and the cons of incentivizing companies like Shell to come to this region.
You’re having those conversations now with all the hydrogen, uh, money that’s dangling out there from the federal government. So, you know, those conversations are real because you gotta put those facilities somewhere right? Jason. And the question is, well, what do they do? What’s the purpose of it? All this hydrogen stuff, you know, I think your average person, you know, what do they know about hydrogen, right myself included, Right?
It’s like, all right, well, you know, I know you got the hindenburg, that’s not a good thing, you know, I know that, you know, hydrogen molecular standpoint is in a lot of things, I think water has some hydrogen, but you know, your average person is saying, well, what’s the story with all these, these plan, they’re talking about in this new hydrogen economy?
What does that even mean? And I think, you know, the companies that are being proactive that are actually having these conversations now in those cafes are setting themselves up for success when, you know, some new infrastructure is inevitably put in place. So, again, maybe a long answer for somebody who’s not directly involved in these conversations, Jason, but I do see evidence of companies that are proactively getting out there and making sure that, you
know, once again, the, you know, the story isn’t hijacked from, you know, the those who are against development and progress and innovation and technology and all of those
Jason Spiess
things. So it’s not a shale company, it’s a shell. So its shell, right? Shell, the big behemoth, the top three oil company, not shell, Okay, I wrote that down wrong,
Joe Sinnott
the royal dutch, shell didn’t they do a little bit of uh, …
Jason Spiess
they did to just like, just like british petroleum they rebranded to? Um So and it’s not a cracker plant? So you’re not making crackers out their attacks? Okay, So it’s cracking it up. It’s not like cracking the crab legs. Okay. I just gotta make sure I get that down. So it’s not Triscuit crackers.
All right, so um and that’s actually kind of a big deal out there, that type of thing. How about the pipeline? Is there any advancements on either Dominion pipeline or maybe a new pipeline or just any activity out there when it comes to that? Sorry for the pop quiz here? Oh
Joe Sinnott
that’s fine. Well the answer, the answer when it comes to pipelines is no, no progress. The biggest one, the biggest story is M. V. P. Mountain Valley pipeline which is owned or or I guess its own whatever assets that might not be flowing, but there’s obviously there’s there’s a couple billion dollars of investments that are owned by a trans midstream here and that’s the one that has made the biggest, that’s the one that Senator Joe Manchin has been trying
to uh to save if you will or to push across the finish line. So, but no, you very easy answer to that question, Jason, no meaningful progress on pipelines here in Appalachia.
Jason Spiess
Alright, Joe Sinnott, the host of the energy detox podcast as well as the executive coach for the real life rock stars? One final question, one final question and what’s the best way for people to get in touch with you? Whether they want to ask some advice?
Maybe they want to just follow you on one of your social media sites, Maybe they want to check out your podcast or you know what, maybe they want to hire you for some business. How can somebody get in touch with you in a variety of different ways? Sure,
Joe Sinnott
well, linkedin is always one of the easier methods there. So, always happy to have a conversation on linkedin and you know, I’m fairly active there, so try to share uh some occasional helpful things based on the work that I do that I think might be somewhat universal or relevant to the my audience. Another good way is just heading on over to winning partners dot com, W I T T I N. G Partners. And from there again, you can find more information about what I do, how I do it, you can navigate
from there to the podcast, the energy detox, which you can also find on any of your favorite podcasting platforms or google or anywhere else. So all roads can lead some way shape or form to uh to the world of winning partners and the executive coaching that I do focus again on the energy industry
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